Season 3 EP 5: Masi Willis on The Leadership Question Most Leaders Avoid

My first guest this week, Masi Willis, is a leadership coach who will make you squirm in the best way. She calls the blind spots most leaders miss “broccoli in your teeth” moments, the little things that quietly shape your team’s experience of you.

Masi left a stable corporate career to start her own business with one client. Six weeks later, she signed a contract bigger than her old salary. Scary? Absolutely. But she leaned on faith, a word for the year, and a mindset of abundance to take the leap. Her approach to leadership is bold, practical, and human — helping leaders grow people, create thriving cultures, and give feedback that actually works.

In this episode, Masi shares:
- The greenhouse metaphor — leaders as gardeners, people as plants, each needing different care.
- The leadership question most avoid: “What is it like to be on the other side of me?”
- How to balance support and challenge without creating a toxic culture.
- How to own your authenticity, set boundaries, and lead without muting yourself.

I have to be honest — most of the women I work with aren’t stuck because they don’t know what to do. They’re stuck because the weight of the decision feels too heavy. Listening to Masi, you’ll see a way to step into that fear with clarity and confidence, and actually move forward.

Music: “Your Way” by Mark July | Licensed by Uppbeat | License code: KKHUU4BLYO3R5SKJ

What’s one leadership truth your team sees about you that you don’t see yourself?

If you’re carrying a decision you already know you need to make, book a private call with me: https://calendly.com/jennifer-flashlightthinking/strategy-call

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Contact Our Guest – Masi Willis:
Email: masi@masiwillis.com
Website: https://www.masiwillis.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/masiwillis/

Connect with Jennifer:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifercartersocialimpact/
Instagram: @unmuteyourself
Website: https://flashlightthinking.com

Timestamps:
0:00 – Intro & welcome
1:35 – Masi’s journey: leaving a corporate career
4:25 – Using “abundance” to fuel bold decisions
6:30 – Growing up in rural Georgia & leadership roots
10:09 – Conscious truth-telling in leadership
16:32 – The greenhouse metaphor: leaders as gardeners
24:04 – The leadership question most avoid
26:25 – Owning authenticity & boundaries
32:13 – Connect with Masi Willis

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:15

And welcome back to Unmute Yourself. I'm your host, Jennifer Carter, and this podcast is about lifting the curtain on leadership, purpose, and the real stories behind women who dared to do things differently. We'll talk about how they found their path, the struggles along the way, and how they built something that truly matters. These are normal people doing extraordinary things because I want you to know you are extraordinary too. Today's guest is someone who does not tiptoe around leadership. She calls it exactly what it is. So Macy Willis is a leadership coach who works primarily with leaders in manufacturing, logistics, and distribution, industries where leadership is often direct, practical, and deeply human. She's known for asking the kinds of questions most people avoid, the ones that get straight to the truth. After leaving an accounting firm and launching her business full-time in 2023, Macy built her company the old school way through trust, reputation, and one referral after another. Today she works with leadership teams to build cultures that actually grow people. She describes leadership culture like a greenhouse. Leaders are the gardeners, and as a coach, she's a horticulturist, helping them understand what their people need in order to thrive. Macy, I'm so excited to have you here. I'm excited to be here, Jennifer. Thank you. Macy, your energy. I feel like we're gonna have a rip-roaring good time together today. Yes, we are. Yes. So let's just start at the beginning. And y'all listening, I have never heard of this happening, which I think just speaks to Macy's whole vibe. So, Macy, you left a stable career and started your business with essentially one client, right? And then correct. And then six weeks later, you signed a contract bigger than your old salary.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Yes, I did. So I actually left without any clients. But my old firm I worked for were really generous and just said, hey, work out a six-week notice and we'll pay you that time. But during that time, clean your work up here, but hustle and go find some work. And so they allowed me to pursue one client that I had worked with. And I had to close the deal. I had to, you know, work with them to determine did they want to go from operational investment that they had been looking at and really focused more on the people investment. And yeah, six, two days from my last paycheck, I got a contract that was better than my salary and it was jump and go. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

What happened to you or happened for you internally that gave you the confidence to jump and make that happen?

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Well, I don't know that it gave me confidence or if that's just a plagued lifestyle that I have lived. I've had the luxury of singleness my whole life. And I call it luxury because I still want to be married one day and I'm still hopeful. But there is a luxury that singleness gives you that I have more of a freedom to take risky, make risky decisions. And so I actually did, I've changed so I have a very nonlinear career. But this particular change, and I call it a jump, I did it scared. And I actually was around a community of people with the leadership coaching organization that I partner with. I'm powered by Giant Worldwide. They have a community, a true online circle community. And I had probably 10 like OGs, the GOATs that helped start Giant back in 2019, um, really say to me, you can do this. Like, jump, go do it. Like we believe in you. Just put your head down and work hard. And they kind of were the breath underneath me or the confidence probably that I needed, and they let me borrow their credibility. So yeah, I I kind of am a serial jumper, but this one I did really scared because I was I was going into a life of solopreneurship, and that was very different than the other changes I have made in my life.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Yeah, I really feel that because it's um there's there's like no backup plan, right? You just jump and know that you're gonna figure out how to swim, so to speak. Yes, yes. Yeah, something that you said to me when we had our prep meeting was that before you made that leap, you started putting the word abundance in front of everything in your life.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

So what did that shift actually change in the way you were thinking and operating?

SPEAKER_00 4:54

Yeah, so that's based really deeply into my faith of just my prayer life. I was thinking about, I am not gonna be able to do this alone, and everything that's gonna be provided to me is gonna be given because this is my life story. And so I I kinda I come around the first of the year almost every year, and I have like a phrase or a word that's been sitting in my heart for a while. And so I kick my year off with that word. I am not a resolution girl. I I just I don't believe in them. I'm like, 90% of you break them. So who really cares? Set a goal or set a funnel and a focus and let it be your filter. But that was in the scary part of what I was doing in the fall of 2022. I just felt like I needed him to pour every ounce of abundance on and over me with community, with competence, with content, with opportunities and relationships and provision and purpose and just like every single thing that year and leading into it. Anytime I thought about I want abundance in my vacations. I want abundance in my time with my family. I want abundance in all things so that I could sit in the fruit and go, wow, look, look what's been done. And it wouldn't have been because of my work or my will. It would have been uh out of my pure prayer life that I would watch it come to fruition. And that is exactly what happened in 2023.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

It feels like your deep belief of who you are, what you trust the world to bring to you. Right. And so, like you grew up in Tifton, Georgia.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

It's South Georgia. I mean, not quite the big state of Texas, but yes, but Georgia, I've lived in rural Georgia, I know what rural southern Georgia is like.

SPEAKER_01 6:49

So how did your upbringing lead you down the path of belief and prayer life and making the jump and there's just a certain way that you impress upon me, like it's just your being and who you are, and it doesn't seem like you're shaken very easily.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Well, I love that that's what you see and get. Now, I have scary moments and sleepless nights, but you're right. My I have fantastic parents, they're still married today, they're 85 and 86 and are on a 20-day cruise to Hawaii. They've been married, they'll be 61 years next December. So they just round they rounded 61 years this past December. So we were rooted in a family of love. My dad was one of 10. We're all from South Georgia. And the faith journey for me was a way of life. And it really wasn't, Jennifer, until in my my mom didn't start working until we were older. We were in high school. So we had had the luxury of her being at home. And then she just busted out in State Farm and just blew the socks off of everybody. And, you know, in that 80s time frame, mid-80s, and women in business and in leadership roles, she just kind of forged forward this pioneering of this really strong woman who had raised a and created a fantastic household. And I have a father that at that point in time was her greatest champion. He was never threatened by her. And they've always been submissive to one another. So when I left in my 20s and got out of college, that's when I really had to explore who I was. I realized I decorated my house like my mother decorated her house. I cooked like she cooked, I liked the colors she liked. I wanted the vacations they had. And I was like, uh, do I really like jewel tone and waverly fabric? I mean, I don't think I do. I think I like pottery barn and everything neutral and black, which was totally the 90s. And that's really when I started shaping myself. And then this leadership piece of it is that any organization I've ever been in, they have assessed me with some type of leadership tool. And then since I was 22 years old for 20 plus years, I mentored high school students through small groups in my churches. And so when I hit the crux of I've been a terrible employee, I've been a fantastic employee, I've had terrible bosses and I've had fantastic bosses. And I don't even know that I can say that maybe I had one leader that wasn't a manager. Most everybody else managed. They actually didn't lead. They didn't empower us and really give us support and challenge, kind of calibrated. And so when I started studying this content during the pandemic, yeah, that is when I went, this is what I want. They're saying every single thing that I believe in. And I don't need to write content. We already have too many books. Like everybody needs to quit writing books, but I mean, write them, whatever. But we're all thought leaders. I think it's stupid when people say, and if you you're one that says this, I'm sorry, but I think it's stupid, is that there's certain thought leaders. And I'm like, I'm at five.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

Yes. I have profound five-year-olds say things to me that I'm like, oh my gosh, I could learn from that. Or children's books that have transformed my leadership. So I came out pretty provocative in the idea that I wasn't going to be the content writer. I wasn't going to be the person that was going to be the guru. I wanted to take great leadership concepts and say, stop managing people and fight for people's highest good. And if you would do that in a world where relationships are dying by the dozens, then when someone sees you fight and choose trust over suspicion and choose growth over retraction or go, I'm responsible for these plants, then I felt like we could transform organizations and people. And that's my life, my life, really my life purpose statement, my business statement is to change the world one person at a time. And it's just a filter. You know, that's what purpose is is I it's how I show up at the gas station. It's how I show up at a restaurant. Change this person, one person at a change this world, this one person at a time. Like letting them encounter you and wonder, well, what in the world just happened? Isn't she a sassy South Georgia girl? You love it so much.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

And I get from you that you are who you are in every situation.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah. I I really am.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Right. Macy, can I tell you something?

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

Okay, so speaking of thought leader, there's something that you said to me that part of your job is being broccoli in the teeth of leadership.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

So you so I like to say, and a lot of people in the giant community will say that, you know, we're pointing out that you've got broccoli in your teeth. Most people sit at the table and let you just talk with broccoli in your teeth. And then you get home and you look in the mirror, you get in the rear rear view mirror, you go to the bathroom, you're like, why have they let me have that big gunk of green stuff in my teeth? You would have immediately asked for them to have told you. Well, when we turn, when I turn the mirror on my clients, I'm showing them the broccoli in their teeth of leadership where they don't realize what it's like to be on the other side of them. Yeah, I have a really close friend of mine, and we were sitting, we used to eat at this Mexican restaurant all the time. And I picture myself in that booth. Every time I want to know what it's like to be on the other side of me. I turn and I sit and go, okay, you're being a little needy in this text message. Okay, you just got really you assume the worst in this email, and then you wrote defensively. And so turning the mirror to that broccoli in your teeth would be if someone did it to me, like I do to myself, it would be, hey, Macy, you can get defensive sometimes. Or did you know that you name drop a lot? And I think you do that because you want credibility and you want competency, and you're a connector, and so you want that. Hey, do you know that you use exaggerative words? Those are all tendencies. They're the broccoli in my teeth. And so that's really when I'm sitting in front of someone, it's hard to look at men and it's easy sometimes to look since most of my clients are men. I still work with women too, but to look at them and say, Do you know what it felt like for you to walk in and say, just get your job done? Did you realize you shut the whole room down? Or when you said, Hey, I'm just saying this guy's gonna get really mad if you don't do this. Did you realize you're driving with fear? That's like a leadership of fear culture. Nobody wants to work for that person. So those are the type things I do say, and they pay me to say them because it transforms them, it transforms their families and ultimately their teams and their organization. And then they perform at a higher rate and make more money.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

I feel speechless and I'm never speechless because I have a list for you, Macy, of people that I want you to work with because you just seem to have a way of calling it like it is, but also with compassion and care. So, how do you bring this truth that people need to hear, they pay you to hear it with compassion?

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Yeah, so we all are made up differently, right? And one of the things that I explain to my clients and to people is we make decisions through one of two lenses. We can get to the other lens, but we're gonna start with one and go to the other. So we make a decision through empathy, people or like our core values, or we make a decision through logic, which is rational, impersonal, truth-based. Now, I might say, my driver wrecked the truck. How much damage is done to the truck? Logical. And then someone who's empathetic or is people forward might go, was the driver okay? And then all of a sudden the logic person might go, Oh my gosh, did he hit anybody? Is there a family involved? And the other lot, the other one might say, and how much inventory did we lose? So we flip back and forth, but I, because I know my own makeup, right? I I've referenced the analogy. I know my plant card. I know what's inside me as a plant. I have little, I know the notes of what's going to help me thrive. I am naturally going to make decisions in empathy and for people. So when I'm dealing with someone who I need to challenge, I have to shape my questions more as bullet points. They can't really be conversational. And I can't hint. I've got to actually boldly state. Now, if I'm talking to someone who is much more empathetic or got compassion, then I have to realize, okay, enter in, Jennifer, do you know how dynamic it is to talk to you on your podcast? And let me just tell you something. You should probably blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm so thankful that I'm on this podcast. See how I know we all know that is like the sandwich, but knowing the person you're showing up for is what makes the secret sauce of what we do. Is that's that's just the prescription. That's just the drug. It's then acting because you know that information.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

I love it. Will you go deeper into your greenhouse metaphor where leaders are gardeners? Because I think it's it's so helpful to put it in a way that people can understand that.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

Sure. I call it the greenhouse effect. And if you think about a greenhouse, I like to ask our my clients, what do we use greenhouses for? I mean, the whole purpose of a greenhouse is to create the perfect culture for plants to thrive. It's to protect them from outside weather. It's to control how much moisture they get, what they don't get. It's to eat the bugs and the toxins away from the plants. And then it's for us to then grow inside the greenhouse and then transfer those plants out into harvest so that they can thrive. Your organization, your board, your executive team, your church small group, your neighborhood HOA. I'm saying that as all groups so that you can see that all has culture. And so the culture is such a buzzword today. People think it's like ping pong tables and not pizza parties, don't get me starting to do it. Pizza parties and Friday fun days. Culture is what does it feel like when you walk into that greenhouse? And so, as the gardener, the person who's leading and has built this organization or is at the top of this organization, it's full of people. And all those people are your plants. So there's a little card in the plant. And on the front of that card, it's got a really pretty picture. It's almost like a dating profile picture. You are never going to look like that picture again, right? I mean, come on. Filters. Everybody is filtering. Well, so is that freaking plant card because I can't get those plants to look like that. I just don't have a green thumb. But on the front of the card, it kind of has its nickname. It's a few facts about it, right? Like planets six inches apart. It needs part shade, part sun. It needs AM. But then you flip that card on the back and it tells you how to prune it. It tells you what part of the region of the United States it should grow in. It tells you exactly how much water. Well, we you I use tools like assessments to help get that card for your people. And so as the hoorticulturist, as we refer to, I kind of have the knowledge of the world, the knowledge of the leadership concepts right now, the knowledge of culture. I come into this organization, say to the gardener, okay, these plants put them on this side of your office, these plants put them on this side of your office. Hey, you're gonna need to water these more. So walk by and ask them how their weekend was, even if you don't want to. These over here, don't interrupt them and make your point very quickly, or you're gonna feel like they're gonna feel like you're wasting their time. And then when they start having toxic culture, or once they know that information, then I give the gardener all the tools and the plants, all the team members, the tools to create that thriving cult culture. And those tools are more like the neurolinguistics of our brain. They're like little images. It's like when someone's calling someone out, like Jennifer, what are you thinking about? Get your head in the game. We've got to get this sales process in place. Flashbacks, splashbacks. I know. And that's like we could, we it's the little tool is a picture of a face in the middle, and call up is at the top right, and call out is bottom left. And call out is demeaning, diminishing, undermining. Call up is empowering, giving opportunity with help. And so the quick little words, if you were a leader and you heard me say that to Jennifer, you would say, Hey, let's call him up, not out. And instantly that picture comes in, and those like, okay, Jennifer, hey, I know you understand this sales process. And of all people you know this customer better than us. Let's jump in and get a little bit more collaboration because I know you've got it in you, and I believe you for the greatness you can be. That ain't come on, Jennifer, get your head in the game. Are you doing it? What are you doing? How many leaders are doing that? So many leaders. So many.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

So many. So many. It's like it feels like one big toxic corporate mess. And when people are coming to me, they're like, I don't know. I'm not being seen, I'm not being heard, I'm not being valued, I'm not being supported. But what I hear you saying is every person is treated what is best for them and how they best grow in their own degree of sunlight.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

Yes. Calibrate. It's so good. Calibrate to them. And on the flip side, to for us to address that opposite leader, right? Is the one who is highly supportive, like so supportive that the high-producing person and the person that never comes in on time takes, makes it four-day work weeks and says they're working from home, but they don't hit their quotas and everyone gets treated the same. That is also a toxic culture. It is defeating because you're like, oh, it is so overly supportive. And that's the that's that is today's culture. Like every child gets a trophy, whether they win or they lose. I tend to lean that way when I lead others. I used to do major events, large events. And my team does my crazy mean keep going. Yeah. Yeah. It was uh they were fun. They were huge events. But they, my whole team, I would tend towards like, you got this, you got this. And then right at the end, I would be like, hey, where's the budget? Why is it not on time? And I had created this entitlement, this like high support with rarely any challenge. And I had to learn to calibrate myself back in that environment and make sure I said to people, hey, it'd be great if I had the budget by Friday morning, knowing that they knew I was going to have to present that to the leaders. So surely they'd think that I'd want it on Thursday by noon. And then all of a sudden Thursday at noon I'm passive aggressive because I'm like, where's the budget? And they're like, well, wait, time out. You told me on Monday you needed it Friday morning and it's not Friday yet. Wasn't it that was broccoli in my teeth, right? I needed to be much more of a specific deliverer of information to the point, challenging and calibrate it with support. But I was way I I led people towards support. Now self-lead yeah way challenging. I would dominate my I'd manipulate in my words inside my head like you're not going to get this done and how you're not as great as everybody else. That's that such self-doubt talk. So I have to we all lead ourselves first. Anyone who says I don't have anybody that works with me. So I'm not really a leader. No, you lead yourself first. Then your next sphere of influence is your family and friends. Then your third sphere of influence is your team, your vendors, your customers, your partners then it's the organization and then it's your community. So we start in that bullseye with self and that's where most people don't start. They start on team and try to work their way back and they disrupt family and never get to themselves. Okay ready for this question my friends I need a drink first.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Okay. What is a question every leader should be brave enough to ask themselves but almost never does.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

I mean I'm gonna say what is it like to be on the other side of me and what if everyone would tell me one truth I don't know, what would it be? And then sit there and listen to it without getting defensive. And if if people defend and hey I defend so this is a tendency I mean we all do right most often when we're defending there is something wrong. We actually have done something wrong. You know if someone I just had someone send me an email and it was questioning AI notes and privacy and you know when we're in workshops and all these things and I found myself going well how dare you you know we shouldn't and of course we don't do that and why and I'm like no he has a right to express his concern. Give him truth not defense. And so I was able to get more bullet pointed and go, I use it so I can be present. I only use it to help me look at the notes I don't want to be talking taking while I'm talking to you. Right. So I was tending to want to go defensive and the reason I wanted to go defensive was because I thought he was questioning how well I was doing my job or how well I made it mean something that it didn't mean. Personal I took it personal. Yeah and it wasn't personal. It's it's that question of what is it like to be on the other side I mean truly do you actually reflect on yourself and go, hmm, I'm just bite my wife's head off but I mean she deserves it because she hadn't done this, this, and this I'm like, no, no, no. Do you know what biting your wife's head at off is like on the other side do you have any idea what that sounds like do you know how harsh that sounds do you know how condescending that statement just sounded to that person. Or when someone walks in your office and they're in a hurry in the morning and you're like Macy I need to get Jennifer's you know information. Can you give it to me? Well good morning to you too Charles it sure is good to see you. Why don't we just start with good morning and I'm like oh my gosh do not be patronizing and don't be a wimp like this person's in a hurry like use common sense you know it's both it's both ways. It's so good.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Well we could keep on talking and talking and talking but let's do uh just a quick lightning round. Okay. So the first answer that comes to your mind.

unknown 26:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

I'm so excited for this you don't even know. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

What part of yourself are you finally letting the world see? That I can own myself that I can own my name. I'm proud of me and I've hidden behind big name companies and I've hidden behind leaders and my own old company name of the Mason effect and I'm for the first time owning the secret sauce of Macy Willis.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

What story or belief about yourself did you have to unlearn to step fully into who you are?

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Well I don't know that I've unlearned it but I am making a big old dig, a grave deep attempt is that I'm enough. I've had to really work on believing that I'm enough and not that and that people could see that in me. So I'm still working on it but I'm getting there. What does it cost you to be authentic and why is it worth it? Gosh I don't even know that it cost me anything I mean it just it's so this is an interesting story. I lied most of my life growing up I told lots of stories in high school I was living up to this persona of the Southern Baptist Christian family. Pressure but I had all these things I wanted explore and do and say and I wanted everyone to like me ultimate people pleasers. So I was more of a chameleon and I don't even think my friends from high school truly know me because they only knew the me then and then in my teeth I was like my gosh I'm a liar like I just tell people what they want to hear. I just white lie myself through every everything. And I wasn't a liar like stealing money liar. It was just more like I was okay to not tell the truth. So I became this blunt truth teller. And I actually had a leader say to me and she's a great friend too she's like hey I love your truth telling but I need you to make it conscious. You need to be a conscious truth teller. And so I kind of claimed that conscious truth telling because my truth telling got so blunt it was almost mean. You know like do you like the do you like the shirt I have on? No I actually don't I think you look fat in it.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

But you were telling the truth and so it's figuring out what to say when while still being true to yourself and speaking yourself.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

So that's the authenticity of it right it's truth and false but then there is the combination of what is conscious truth telling that remains authentic and remembering there's someone on the other side of you. And so I when I say it how I authentically know to say it and the way that it needs to be said until I realize my authenticity is not being heard and then it might get a little blunt. Right. You do what you got to do. Yeah. I do like that shirt I don't think it's the best on you because it doesn't necessarily give you the best look but I love how you can just own it and wear it. Same thing. Same thing I don't like your shirt. I don't think you and you chose it.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Right. So do do you boo got it right yeah okay um what boundary have you set that protects your sense of self?

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Physical boundaries I have crazy work boundaries as a because I need some of those. So I do not I try my hardest to not do client work the first week of every month. So the whole the first week of every month I go to my local chamber meetings, I go to our breakfast that's my business development that's my what I call guardian work, doing my tax reports. I'm working building my social media stuff but that keeps me from traveling that month. Now if I have a pop-up one off that's going to be worth the money I might do it. I did that for a couple of reasons. Number one that I could get focused on how to run my business and not just let my business run me. But also if I take vacation it's the first week of every month so I never impact my client experience. Yep. I'm stealing that the second thing that I do is every Friday from one to five o'clock on my calendar I market guardian and so I file my mileage reports I do all my expense reports I make sure all my clients have gotten their emails out. So all of the tedious timely work I do on a Friday so that I exit the week and go into the weekend with a clear mind. I don't work on weekends.

SPEAKER_01 31:01

Good for you.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

Am I answer now if a client calls me on a Saturday and they are not people who normally call me and I'm available to answer the call I will but if it's a dinner table or I've had a glass of wine I'm not going to necessarily answer the call. But I don't I try not unless it's like a rainy weekend I'm like let me catch up on social like my posts or let me get ahead of cleaning out my Google Drive. I try my hardest I keep my Saturdays and Sundays. What keeps me grounded when I feel like I need to fit in or perform I mean most often it is just my own call-up sessions that I have in the morning in the shower it's who I am I'm beloved I'm powerful I'm courageous. I just do that head talk um the performance is probably the thing for me and I have to just constantly remind myself you are walking in changing one person's life every single day and you continue to do it. So no matter how you do it just do it one person at a time. Beautiful Macy thank you so much for your time you're so welcome it was so fun.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

So fun. And how can listeners connect with you?

SPEAKER_00 32:18

Yeah um I'm on LinkedIn as Macy Willis and it's spelled M-A-S-I. It's a little weird because my real name is Mason and so my mom and dad nicknamed me. My first name's Carolyn so it's nothing like my nickname. But MacyWillis.com is my website um you can find me on LinkedIn. I'm not as great at posting on Instagram consistently but I am there. I have a podcast uh not anywhere near as long as yours but they can go and listen there. It's me and one of my best friends we just talk back and forth about a lot of the tools that I use. I would listen to that is that on YouTube? It is um no wait no it it well I don't think it is on YouTube. I think it's on Spotify it's on like Apple Podcasts also if you go to Macywillis.com I have a podcast tab and it actually sits there but those are fun and I actually have a newsletter and I send an email every Monday morning it is in your inbox before you make it to work or get up and it is a quick nugget of a leadership tool an image and I give you a concept and teach you how to use it that week and I've had a lot of leaders say that's how they start off their week. So I just want people to be equipped the world I have a a real generous mentality there there's no scarcity to me because the world is just in such bad shape it would take 10 000 of us and more to really impact change. And so I just want to keep doing that.

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So yeah you can reach me at those places. Well thank you so much and for everyone listening if this episode resonated share it subscribe and stay with with us this season as we explore what it really means to live and lead without muting who we are so until next time unmute yourself and be who you already are